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Science Vs. God

"Let me explain the problem science has with Jesus Christ."  The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.

"You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"

"Yes sir," the student says.

"So you believe in God?"

"Absolutely."

"Is God good?"

"Sure! God's good."

"Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"

"Yes."

"Are you good or evil?"

"The Bible says I'm evil."

The professor grins knowingly. "Aha! The Bible!" He considers for a moment.

"Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?"

"Yes sir, I would."

"So you're good...!"

"I wouldn't say that."

"But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't."

The student does not answer, so the professor continues. "He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"

The student remains silent.

"No, you can't, can you?" the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.

"Let's start again, young fella Is God good?"

"Er...yes," the student says.

"Is Satan good?"

The student doesn't hesitate on this one. "No."

"Then where does Satan come from?"

The student : "From...God..."

"That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?"

"Yes, sir."

"Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?"

"Yes."

"So who created evil?" The professor continued, "If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil."

Without allowing the student to answer, the professor continues: "Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?"

The student: "Yes."

"So who created them?"

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. "Who created them? There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized.

"Tell me," he continues onto another student. "Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"

The student's voice is confident: "Yes, professor, I do."

The old man stops pacing. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?"

"No sir. I've never seen Him"

"Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"

"No, sir, I have not."

"Have you ever actually felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?"

"No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."

"Yet you still believe in him?"

"Yes."

"According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?"

"Nothing," the student replies. "I only have my faith."

"Yes, faith," the professor repeats. "And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith."

The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of his own. "Professor, is there such thing as heat?"

"Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."

"And is there such a thing as cold?"

"Yes, son, there's cold too."

"No sir, there isn't."

The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain.

"You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."

Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.

"What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?"

"Yes," the professor replies without hesitation. "What is night if it isn't darkness?"

"You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, 
flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?"

The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. "So what point are you making, young man?"

"Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed."

The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. "Flawed? Can you explain how?"

"You are working on the premise of duality," the student explains. "You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it."

"Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?"

"If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do"

"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

"Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?"

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.

"To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean."

The student looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out into laughter.

"Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelled the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir. So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?"

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable.

Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. "I guess you'll have to take them on faith."

"Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life," the student continues. "Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?"

Now uncertain, the professor responds, "Of course, there is. We see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil."

To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just 
like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God.

God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."

The professor sat down.

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Comment balloon 32 commentsLucky Lang • February 06 2008 09:45PM

Comments

Lucky - This post has earned you a new subscriber tonight.  I applaud you for posting this one.
Posted by Jason Crouch, Broker - Austin Texas Real Estate (512-796-7653) (Austin Texas Homes, LLC) over 12 years ago
Lucky, that was OUTSTANDING!!!  I kept hanging on every word.  Thank you so much for that meaningful post.
Posted by Ray Nellum, Fort Smith Real Estate (Envision Real Estate Group, LLC.) over 12 years ago
I,ve seen this before it is phenomenal
Posted by Hugh Krone, Realtor, Sussex County NJ (Weichert Referral Associates) over 12 years ago
Lucky, Great post, I really enjoyed it!
Posted by Tony & Darcy Cannon, The C Team (Aubrey and Associates Realty) over 12 years ago

Wonderful post, Lucky... I've seen this around once or twice and I smile every time I read it. 

Posted by Jesse & Kathy Clifton, Retired (Jesse Clifton & Associates, REALTORS®) over 12 years ago

This is a variation on a conversation Albert Einstein had with a professor when he was in college.....

The logic is a impeccable as is the timelessness of the statements made by the student....

Gods Word stands forever...Gods Word is truth!!

Thanks for posting this, Lucky...

=-)

Posted by Alexander Harb, Dallas, Texas Real Estate Investing (Knights Investing) over 12 years ago

Jason,

Pardon me for being naive, but what is "a new subscriber" (other than the obvious)?

Ray, Hugh, Tony & Darcy, Jesse, Alex,

Amen!  After receiving this, I had to pass it on!

Thanks for commenting,

Lucky :)

 

Posted by Lucky Lang, Marco Island & Naples Florida Real Estate (Premiere Plus Realty Marco Island) over 12 years ago

Hi, Lucky,

Very nice post!  I wasn't sure if you wrote it or if Alex is correct that it is about Einstein.  I thought you might have written it based on a true story.  I really enjoyed it... like Ray said, I was "hanging on every word."

Posted by Jan Evett, Broker Associate, 20 years+ in real estate (The Premier Property Group LLC) over 12 years ago

Jan,

No way am I that smart!  I couldn't find out who wrote it and Einstein sounds like as likely an author as can be!  It is worded so profoundly!

Thanks for commenting!

Lucky :)

Posted by Lucky Lang, Marco Island & Naples Florida Real Estate (Premiere Plus Realty Marco Island) over 12 years ago
Wow Lucky, that was an awesome post.  Perfect way for me to start the day!  The post, and my morning coffee got my mind and my soul in gear for the day!  Thanks!
Posted by Deb Dahlberg - Rowland, Deb Sells Texas! (Hart Land Real Estate) over 12 years ago
Lucky, Isn't it wonderful to read this exchange of words? I see this as the type of exchange Jesus would have had with a Pharisee during his life on earth. No put downs, just truth.
Posted by Judy Tuscano, NH Real Estate Professional (Prudential Verani Realty) over 12 years ago

Deb & Judy,

I feel the same way!

Thanks for commenting.

Lucky :)

Posted by Lucky Lang, Marco Island & Naples Florida Real Estate (Premiere Plus Realty Marco Island) over 12 years ago

To the anonymous writer ,

I always welcome differing opinions.......just not anonymous ones.  You brought up some interesting thoughts.  Have enough courage to stand behind them.

Lucky :)

Posted by Lucky Lang, Marco Island & Naples Florida Real Estate (Premiere Plus Realty Marco Island) over 12 years ago
Very good story.  I makes a tremendous point that we all should take notice of.  Thanks
Posted by Don Draughn - Mortgage Professional over 12 years ago

Don,

Thanks for commenting.

Lucky :)

Posted by Lucky Lang, Marco Island & Naples Florida Real Estate (Premiere Plus Realty Marco Island) over 12 years ago
Hi Lucky, I could just say Amen and sit down! Excellent post and example of the Science vs God argument.
Posted by Debbie Malone, From Lynchburg To The Lake (434) 546-0369 (Londeree's Real Estate & Property Management) over 12 years ago

Lucky,

Today, you're my favorite blogger.  Hands down favorite!

Mike in Tucson

Posted by Mike Jones, Mike Jones NMLS 223495 (SUNSTREET MORTGAGE, LLC (BK-0907366, NMLS 145171) ) over 12 years ago

Debbie,

Thanks!

Lucky :)

Posted by Lucky Lang, Marco Island & Naples Florida Real Estate (Premiere Plus Realty Marco Island) over 12 years ago

Mike,

WOW!  What an honor!  All Day!?!

BTW, was that birthday thing from you?  I don't open e-mail stuff unless I'm sure who sent it and why.  Call me paranoid but there's just too many sickos out there that enjoy messing up people's computers! 

Thanks, Mike!

Lucky :)

Posted by Lucky Lang, Marco Island & Naples Florida Real Estate (Premiere Plus Realty Marco Island) over 12 years ago
Thank you for posting this. I have heard similar arguments, but this one is great. I have already received my regular daily message and prayer this morning. I appreciate that I happened upon your blog. Thanks again :o)
Posted by Amy Jones, (licensed in LA) (Amy Jones Photo) over 12 years ago

Amy,

It was my pleasure!

Lucky :)

Posted by Lucky Lang, Marco Island & Naples Florida Real Estate (Premiere Plus Realty Marco Island) over 12 years ago
Lucky:  It makes my blood boil when people talk about God creating evil.  Thanks for the post... Einstein was not only a great scientist, but also a man of God.  
Posted by Jan Wood (None) over 12 years ago
Lucky,  A beautiful post.  One I will share with my children.  Thank you.
Posted by Kathleen Vetrano, Helping YOU Achieve YOUR Dreams (RE/MAX Gateway) over 12 years ago

Jan,

Me, too!

Einstein was brilliant!

Lucky :)

Posted by Lucky Lang, Marco Island & Naples Florida Real Estate (Premiere Plus Realty Marco Island) over 12 years ago

Kathleen,

What a great idea!

Lucky :)

Posted by Lucky Lang, Marco Island & Naples Florida Real Estate (Premiere Plus Realty Marco Island) over 12 years ago

Clearing up the misconceptions about Einstein:

http://www.einsteinandreligion.com/

Posted by Amy over 12 years ago

Amy,

Thanks for your contribution.

Lucky :)

Posted by Lucky Lang, Marco Island & Naples Florida Real Estate (Premiere Plus Realty Marco Island) over 12 years ago

Great blog!  Maybe you haven't been called to preach like I have (or have you???) but a great sermon has been given anyway!

Older brother Rob

Posted by Rob Lang, Local Expert in Lawrence Kansas Real Estate Homes (At Home Kansas) over 12 years ago

Rob,

Did you check out Amy's link?  What did you think?

Lucky :)

Posted by Lucky Lang, Marco Island & Naples Florida Real Estate (Premiere Plus Realty Marco Island) over 12 years ago

I guess Einstein's own words as found on that website speak for themselves: that Einstein believed in God as a Jew and that he believed Jesus existed but that he did not have a saving personal relationship with Jesus (at least not at the time this was written--he could have converted to a Christian later).  As we both know, the demons believe God is One and shudder.

About Converting to Christianity

A Catholic science student, concerned for Einstein's soul, once wrote to Einstein, begging him to pray to Christ, the Virgin Mary, and to see a Catholic priest immediately. What follows is part of Einstein's reply.


If I would follow your advice and Jesus could perceive it, he, as a Jewish teacher, surely would not approve of such behavior.

- From Goldman, p. 88.

 

Older brother Rob

Posted by Rob Lang, Local Expert in Lawrence Kansas Real Estate Homes (At Home Kansas) over 12 years ago

Preach on Brother...

John Hurbon

Realtor

Benson, Arizona

(38 churches and counting... 6,200 people) 

 

Posted by John Hurbon over 12 years ago

John,

Thanks for stopping by and commenting! 

Any new CD's that you've put out?

Lucky :)

Posted by Lucky Lang, Marco Island & Naples Florida Real Estate (Premiere Plus Realty Marco Island) over 12 years ago

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